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Rich Hutnik wrote on Sun, Aug 17, 2008 04:05 AM UTC:Good ★★★★

I have run this multiple times in Zillions and got to play it with Joe Joyce today.  I have to give it a thumbs up.  The game has one on edge most of the time.  There is room for a single mess up multiple times in the game that can cost you.  This happened when I played Joe.  I actually had the game locked, then bungled with my King and he won.  It is amazing that by removing a few rules, you can end up with chess going in an entirely different direction.

Well, that is my brief review to explain my experience.  Beyond this, I want to get people to look at this game and argue for how much less depth it has then normal (FIDE) Chess.  My take here is that, while the game forces more restrictions, there are critical key points in the game, that force one to even have to evaluate deeper in the decision tree in order not to lose.  Joe described this as 'Chaotic'.  In a 'Butterfly effect' sort of way, I would agree here.

Anyhow, if anyone wants to argue that Dipole Chess is a lot more shallow than regular chess, due to the lack of moving backwards, I would like to hear the arguments.  I will say that Zillions is a bit prone to not playing it well, making stupid mistakes, and not reading context of pieces to one another.

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Dipole Chess. A cross between Chess and the game Dipole by Mark Steere. (8x8, Cells: 64)

💡📝Rich Hutnik wrote on Sun, Nov 9, 2008 09:33 PM UTC:

Feel free to download the Zillions file for Dipole Chess, and edit it, and give it a new name. I would be interested in trying it out. Maybe you can call this chess variant: Advance Degeneration Chess.

Thomas wrote on Sun, Nov 9, 2008 03:38 PM UTC:

1. sorry, I forgot to enter my name in the last post

2. A lazy queen (or amazon) captures like a queen (the amazon like a
knight also) but cannot move to an empty square.

Somehow I like the idea that demoting ends with some 'lazy' piece,
which
only captures. But there are other possibilities too, of course.

If this were a modification or a different game, depends on the pont of
view, I think. I just want to give some ideas, maybe leading to a new
game. The coding of demotion can be done so (shown with a bishop which
demotes to knight):


(define slide                ;;normal sliding move
  ( $1 (while empty? add $1)
    (verify enemy?) add
  )
)
(define slidebishop
  ( $1
    (while empty? (add Knight) $1) ;; demote on empty square
    (verify enemy?) add            ;; dont demote when capturing
  )
)

....

  (piece
     (name Bishop)
     (image White '...' Black '...')
     (moves
        (slide nw) (slide ne)
        (slidebishop sw) (slidebishop se)
     )
  )

💡📝Rich Hutnik wrote on Sun, Nov 9, 2008 02:26 PM UTC:

What is a 'Lazy Amazon'?

Possible compromises in the game, is to allow a piece to demote to ANYTHING weaker than it, with either Knights and Bishops not able to demote, provided the piece it is demoted has been captured by an opponent.

And, on this note, I think we are looking at a different game related to this one.  Not sure how to code it up in Zillions, however, so I am going to hold off trying to do anything with this.

Anonymous wrote on Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:05 AM UTC:

Another way would be to demote the Knight not to a pawn but directly to a lazy amazon. This I find even better, because it fits to the symmetry of the (lazy) queen (moving in all directions) when it can emerge on any square of the board. Pawns promote as usual to any piece-type, including a lazy queen.

💡📝Rich Hutnik wrote on Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:50 PM UTC:

Wouldn't a simple answer for the demotion issue to be that piece demote to pawn-like pieces that can't promote? This is another way to break the cycle.

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