Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Rich Hutnik wrote on Mon, Oct 6, 2008 04:52 PM UTC:In regards to standards, I see these arguments against them, in various forms (this represents the way I remember them being stated. They don't necessarily belong to any one person): 1. They aren't needed. I am curious upon what basis this is stated. Is it that we should have dozens of names for the exact same piece, and have the same name refer to multiple pieces? Is it that we shouldn't even consider mutators? Should every slight variation in board configuration be considered a new form of chess, and Chess960 should be considered 960 different chess games each with different entries (We will have Chess1, Chess2, Chess3, all the way up to Chess960 which is considered the 960th position now in Fischer Random Chess). 2. It is impossible to obtain them, because no one will ever agree to them. Ok, this may be a valid point. But why should we consider this to be so, because there has been no luck in the past obtaining them? My understandings of standards is what they are agreed to and acknowledged. Also, can I comment here that I see people reaching conventional names for pieces on here, the Ferz and the Wazir are two that come to mind. Same with the Knightrider. Would people here say a Knightrider refers to anything else BUT the Knight which gets to repeat its Knight move? Even now, I do see standards about, even if not thought of as such. 3. Using standards hinders creativity. Aren't standards merely agreed to labels and parameters that enable different equipment and procedures to work with one another? On the label front, is this really much of an expression of creativity? The fact that 10 people can name a piece that does the same thing different names show meaningful creativity how? In the case of language, which is used to express creativity (fiction and computer programs), would works of fiction be more creative if no words in the language had a stable meaning? 4. Use of standards means that you are being a bullying dictator and forcing people against their will to accept things they won't accept. Can I ask people here if Linux and Internet technology are set up and run by some bullying dictator somewhere? Is the Internet based on standards? One can think of Microsoft, for example, when you think of bullying standards, but is open-source run by bullies? By the way, if no one accepts the standards, then how would they be considered standards? 5. Things are fine the way they are now. Why should we bother doing this, it is just a bunch of work? Are they really that fine, or is it that one doesn't believe after you do all this work nothing will change. 6. We don't need standards, because we can always play over the Internet. Ok, can I ask that when you do decide to play over the Internet, is having recognizable symbols for the pieces when you play helpful or not? Can anyone argue that having standard recognizable symbols is NOT a standard? 7. We don't need to make this a formal project and officially label the work as standards. How about that be reframed as we officially recognize what the community has done so far, and get it out in the open so new people can understand things, and work to end up having some entry point for them into the chess variant world? If I have missed any, please let me know. And feel free to add any that may be missed. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Standards does not match any item.