Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Oct 5, 2008 06:17 PM UTC:Reinhard, I am not sure what you are trying to say. How can you separate variant-dependent naming from the FEN standard? The FEN is one of the few places where pieces are named in the first place. In PGN the problems are far smaller, as these have a variant tag. So a PGN game always unambiguously specifies the variant it is for. And indeed I exploit that in WinBoard: if you paste a OGN game into WinBoard, it automatically switches to the variant the PGN is for. FENs encountered in this context can benifit from the fact that the variant is known as well. The problem is isolated FENs, in particular isolated FENs for non-starting positions. I have not found a way to deduce the vriant from looking at the FEN string. So FENs that obviously must belong to a different variant as the current one, because they use non-valid piece letters or wrong board size, are simply rejected when ou paste them into WinBoard. It seems to me you want the variant (and by inference the rules) to be recognizable from the FEN, without prefixing the FEN with an explicit variant name. Otherwise there would be no reason, for instance, to specify the type of castling in the FEN. I think predefining many pieces in a standard is self-defeating, as you would be forced to pick letters for pieces that are unacceptable to those playing the particular variant, even long before you would run out of letters. So the only thing universal in such a 'standard' would be that it is universally not used... The major variants (Xiangqi, Chess, Shogi, Capablanca) are fortunately recognizable from their board size, and this could be used to define a default piece encoding acceptable to that variant. You will never get (Western) Shogi players to have the Gold general represented by anything like G, or Xiangqi players to represent the Cannon by anything else but C... Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID NextChess does not match any item.