Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Sam Trenholme wrote on Thu, Mar 16, 2006 02:10 AM UTC: The Wikipedia article for chess variants, at one point said 'The broad definition of chess variants is so universal, it may include nearly any abstract battle game or war game'. That said, at which point does a variant become a wargame? Good question. The answer depends on who you ask. I think we're crossing the line once we add dice rolls. I also think that line is crossed when the opening setup is asymmetrical or when there is hidden information ('fog of war'). The reason for having one move all of their pieces (in any order they choose) in a single turn is to make the game impervious to traditional computer analysis. - Sam Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID CrossnTheRubicon does not match any item.