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Nicholas,<p> Once again, you <i>say</i> you are not trying to insult anyone but your actual writings tell a different story:<p> ' . . . Zillions might be good for those people who are to dumb to do any of these, but I can't really see any other reason to resort to it.'<p> Zillions is my primary design tool--therefor you are asserting that I am dumb. You are also making the same assertion about some more gifted game designers than I who make the same choice. Now had you written:<p> 'Zillions is very flawed and those who use it for designing games would get better results if they used math . . .' <p> you would have expressed the same opinion about the software without expressing an opinion about other game designers--and though I would not agree with you, I would not take offense.<p> I would strongly advise you to address your fellow designers in repectful terms--you will get a much better reaction to your ideas.