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Does anyone know, are there Zillions of Games saved-games files (*.zsg) of interesting, classic, instructive Shogi games available here or elsewhere on the net? Would this be a worthwhile project? It's hard (for me, at least) to see a list of Shogi game moves and follow it--especially since I have to work so hard to recognize the Japanese characters. This is my own problem, of course, but I wonder if others feel the same way, and if Zillions saved games provides a solution? Thanks.
Shogi is an entertaining game, indeed, but I lack a link to play this on the computer. It's hard finding people to play against on the other side of the planet, especially ones who speak or read japanese. And I'm too lazy to do that. Mendoukusai na, if you know what I mean. Do you have a link to an online version of shogi?
Many people who don't know Japanese have been using Game Courier to play Shogi online against other people. Besides some Japanese sets, Game Courier allows that option of a symbolic set that doesn't require any ability to recognize Japanese characters. Here is the link for Game Courier's Shogi preset: http://play.chessvariants.com/pbm/presets/shogi.html But be sure to visit the main Game Courier page before you get started: http://play.chessvariants.com/pbm/ For programs that will play Shogi, go here: http://www.shogi.net/shogi-soft-eqp.html
Roberto: I actually got it from my mother, who ordered a board and a set of wooden pieces from www.yutopian.com. It's not too bad of a set, although it's obviously not professional quality. To stay on topic: Do we have a resource that lists the original Japanese names (and English translations) of the pieces? This page doesn't.
Jared, please refer to 1.4) Pieces of Hans Geuns' Basic Shogi Vocabulary. http://www.shogi.net/shogivocab/ I would like to suggest this page should have a link to the above.
About the program Todai Shogi Hello, I have Todai Shogi program but all the menus are in Japanese. Anybody would have the intructions note (comment help) translated into English? Either can you advise me a means to understand the menus of this software? Pierre Jason
Thanks for the information! Manabu Terao, thank you also for the link. I have never heard of the Invisible Ink Composition, the moves of which for the shape of a letter or ideogram. Wonderful idea. That is one reason why investigation of chess variants is good for the mind. New ideas, different cultures, change of perspective. Thank you.
If you want to see a more European look of Shogi, see: http://f51.parsimony.net/forum203932/messages/21.htm
'I am not sure if this will clarify or confuse the issue, but here is a summary from an old post of George Fernandez:'
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The last version of 'The rules of shogi' I have was written in 1993 by Mr. K. Horiguchi 6 Dan[supplement to the January 1993 issue of Shogi Sekai]. The 96 page booklet, written in japanese, is the official rule book accepted by the Japanese Shogi Association.
The following definitions were given which apply here:
Checkmate:
A checkmate is a position in which a King is in check and there are no legal moves to leave the check.
Illegal moves:
(1)A move is illegal to make a double pawn.
(2)A move is illegal to make a deadlocked piece.
(3)A move is illegal for a player if his King's square is attacked by an opponent piece after the move.[to remain in check, to move into check or to expose the king to check]
(4)A move is illegal to make a repetition check move [Mr. Horiguchi wrote in an addendum the following clarification: '... In the event of perpetual check, if one player player does it FOUR TIMES(three times is permitted), he will lose his game'.
(5)A move is illegal to make a dropping check move by a pawn which leads to a position in checkmate at once(dropped-pawn mate).
Legal moves:
A legal move for a player is a move to leave the check by moving pieces on the board or by dropping if his king is in check. Otherwise, a legal move by a piece on the board which can go[move] or a drop move, which is not illegal.
Remark (condition of ending game):
1. The game is finished if the position is in a checkmate; The player to move loses the game.
2. The game is finished if one player makes an illegal move; This player loses the game.
3. The game is finished if one player has no legal moves; This player loses the game[contrary to chess rules, where a stalemate is considered a draw].
4. The game is finished if one player resigns; This player loses the game.
In an effort to put this issue behind us, and move on, I'm sharing with you a bizzare diagram from the 1993 rules book[page 93, digram #92].
***ENDQUOTE*** I [David Paulowich] am unable to format the diagram for this text message. It shows a stalemate loss for the lone White King. But Black to move also has no legal moves, even though he has a huge army and a Pawn in hand (dropping that Pawn would be mate).
Dear Fergus Duniho, About my game with Joao Bigodes. His King is captured, though the game continue! Isn't a bug somewhere??? Best regards, Paul Grosemans aka Centaure.
Recently on the Shogi-L (http://www.shogi.net/shogi-l/Archive/2005/Naug05-00.txt) there has been discussion of a freeware Shogi program called Bonanza. It is quite strong on even play. An extension has been created that allows playing handicap games. Its handicap play is perhaps not as strong as its even game play (I suspect this is because it does not have book moves for the handicaps, but that is a guess), but it will prove challenging for most. It certainly is for me. The link for Bonanza is: http://www.geocities.jp/bonanza_shogi/bonanza1.1_csawin.zip and for the extension: http://homepage3.nifty.com/floatinghome/csa_xt122.zip The listing from Shogi-L describes how to use the extension. Non-Japanese shogi players should truly appreciate this gift from Messers Masumoto and RaumNaum; I sure do!
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