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🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 09:42 PM UTC:
That's one way to do it, though it's not the easiest. This shows that you
know how to include an image on a page. The easier way to do it is to copy
the URL for each image from the Diagram Designer and use that. The images
are displayed around the board. You can get the URL for an image by
right-clicking it and selecting the appropriate option from the right-click
menu. 

For Internet Explorer, this is "Copy". 

For Firefox, this is "Copy Image Location". 

For Chrome, this is "Copy Image Address".

For other browsers, it may be something similar. This will put the URL for
the image in your clipboard, and from there, you can paste it into your
document.

H. G. Muller wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:01 PM UTC:
I understand that it is possible to use HTML img tags in non-HTML
submissions. It this an exception, or would it also be possible to use div
tags there to define an interactive diagram?

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:57 PM UTC:
Okay, I'm guessing that non-HTML submissions are formatted differently but
do not actually prevent the use of HTML. So, DIVs should probably work in
them, though if you are using HTML, then I would recommend clicking the
HTML option. In comments, as opposed to submissions, non-HTML comments do
not allow HTML.

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 06:51 AM UTC:
> Okay, I'm guessing that non-HTML submissions are formatted differently but do not actually prevent the use of HTML.

OK, great. I always tick HTML, but the downside is that this collapses all your text into one big paragraph if you don't put in all the HTML tags for formatting, and many people would not know how. So it is very convenient that there is a possibility to use their own line feeds and spaces for formatting, and still can paste HTML diagrams as blackboxes into it from the diagram generator or interactive-diagram wizard.


Kevin Pacey wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 07:50 AM UTC:
I'm up way too late, but I couldn't resist checking this website at least
one last time.

Fergus wrote: "That's one way to do it, though it's not the easiest. This
shows that you know how to include an image on a page. The easier way to do
it is to copy the URL for each image from the Diagram Designer and use
that. The images are displayed around the board. You can get the URL for an
image by right-clicking it and selecting the appropriate option from the
right-click menu. 

For Internet Explorer, this is "Copy". 

... This will put the URL for the image in your clipboard, and from there,
you can paste it into your document."

I use Internet Explorer on my laptop (or desktop computer, when it is
working), and I did try copying it the way you described, Fergus. My
mistake was that I tried to 'paste' straight away, and nothing showed up at
all in my submission. I hadn't realized a 'clipboard' was to be involved.
I'll try to get around to looking up how a clipboard is used again, and try
to do such piece depictions as you described, if there isn't something
easier available (like later on cutting and pasting the work I've already
done when editing Super4*Chess).

Back in the 1990s when computers and the internet were apparently really
taking off, a condition I've had probably most of my life really took off
too (e.g. having visions once in a while), and as a result generally I've
tried to not experiment (nor use computers) too much. For example if
there's a way to do something with a computer that I know works I'll use
it, even if it may cost me just a little bit more time. Finding the time to
try to undo the consequenses of an apparently harmless experiment gone
wrong when using a computer is something I developed a sort of aversion to
years ago.

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 11:17 AM UTC:
'Clipboard' is jargon for the invisible place where data lives between the user ordering a 'Copy' or 'Cut' and ordering 'Paste' (through a menu selection or by using Ctrl-C/Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V keys of the keyboard). So I don't expect you did anything wrong there. The special thing here is that normally you load the clipboard by first selecting a visible text, and then 'copy' it. While the mentioned menu items of the browser do put the URL specifyng the location of the clicked image there, rather than the image itself. <p> You should see the URL (starting with "http://") appearing in your text when you 'Paste'. <p> What is most likely the problem is that an URL in the text of your submission is not enough to make an image appear; it would just display the URL as text. To get an image on a submitted page you would have to write <p> < img src="URL"> <p> in it, with URL the pasted URL.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 05:40 PM UTC:
I still have a couple of hours before I have to get busy today with other
things. As I alluded to earlier, H.G., when I copied & then tried to paste
the piece symbol as described, literally no text or image appeared in my
submission (i.e. nothing happened whatsoever after I tried to paste).

Instead, one thing I tried after was to save the webpage for the piece
symbol as one of my 'Favourites' (another option besides 'Copy' that is
allowed when one right-clicks on such a piece symbol). Then, in actually
going to that webpage on the web, I did see the piece symbol in question
displayed, in the upper left corner of an otherwise blank webpage. Anyway,
I then pasted that http address for that webpage into my submission, but
then when I viewed it by re-submitting my submission, all that appeared (of
course, I suppose) was the text of the http address (kind of similar to
what you were describing for something else). 

Maybe there was somthing I could have done with the http address that I  inserted in my submission, e.g. something kind of similar to what
you were describing. After giving up perhaps prematurely, the next day I
had my 1x1 board (including piece symbol) representation inspiration for using the
Diagram Designer, and I eagerly took the sure route to
success, much like a baseball infielder takes the sure throw out to first
base, rather than trying to throw out a base runner by throwing to second
base. Anyway, the fact that my original copy and paste attempt produced
absolutely nothing (such as text) in my submission suggests to me that
there may in fact be a bug with, say, the Diagram Designer, unless I did
something wrong in copying & pasting (in this case, seems hardly possible).

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jan 8, 2016 09:13 PM UTC:
And did you copy the image or the location of the image? You cannot paste
an image in a text form, so if you copied the image instead of its location
(URL), then it would explain why nothing appeared.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Sun, Jan 10, 2016 02:54 AM UTC:
I got home early today from my weekend tournament, and having taken care of
other things at home I thought I'd check my email & various websites
tonight at least one time each all the same. That's after getting my
inevitable game with GM Sambuev out of the way today (I lost respectably
IMHO, getting ground down in a major piece ending after trying to hold a
draw with the Petroff Defence).

I got your email from today Fergus, and I sent the screenshot (of the
Berolina Pawns webpage) to your other email address just now, as you
suggested I try instead.


H.G. Posted: "And did you copy the image or the location of the image? You
cannot paste an image in a text form, so if you copied the image instead of
its location (URL), then it would explain why nothing appeared"

Yes, apparently in my innocence I tried to just paste the image. The only
URL I noticed for it was after I saved it as a webpage Favourite, rather
than just clicking on 'Copy' (after right-clicking on the image of the
piece symbol).

H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Jan 10, 2016 09:32 AM UTC:
> Yes, apparently in my innocence I tried to just paste the image. The only URL I noticed for it was after I saved it as a webpage Favourite, rather than just clicking on 'Copy' (after right-clicking on the image of the piece symbol).

In my browser (Firefox) when I right-click on an image it pops up a menu with (amongst others) the items

  • View image
  • Copy image
  • Copy image location
  • Properties
When you select "View image" it displays the image as a separate web page, with the URL of the image (as usual) in the address field above it. You could then select and copy the URL from there. But when you select "Copy image location" it should already have copied the URL without additional mouse manipulations, and without the need for changing what page it was displaying. With "Properties" you get a popup window with all kinds of info on the image, and one of them is the URL. You could also copy that URL from there.

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 11, 2016 07:40 AM UTC:
Yesterday I got to the computer from which I had made successful updates, but unfortunately I could not try it out because the mouse was not working properly and there was not another one easily accessible that could be substituted. I still cannot post the updates that I want to from th computer that I am currently on.

Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 11, 2016 11:51 PM UTC:
I'm back and rested after my weekend tournament, finishing clear second at
1.5 points behind GM Sambuev (5/5, again), so I did about as well as I
could reasonably hope for.

H.G. posted: "In my browser (Firefox) when I right-click on an image it
pops up a menu with (amongst others) the items
 • View image 
• Copy image 
• Copy image location 
• Properties 
When you select "View image" it displays the image as a separate web page,
with the URL of the image (as usual) in the address field above it. You
could then select and copy the URL from there. But when you select "Copy
image location" it should already have copied the URL without additional
mouse manipulations, and without the need for changing what page it was
displaying. With "Properties" you get a popup window with all kinds of info
on the image, and one of them is the URL. You could also copy that URL from
there."

At the moment I'm using a Toshiba Satellite laptop with Vista, Windows
Explorer browser (clicking on its properties reveals it to be created Sept.
2009). When I right-click on a piece image of the Diagram Designer, the
options I can choose to further click on unfortunately do not include View
Image or Copy Image or Copy Image Location, but the options available to me
do include "Copy" and "Properties". Clicking on Properties does reveal the
URL (the same one as if I had clicked on "Save to Favourites" instead of
"Properties", I suppose). 

I'm not sure using this URL (in the way you described in an earlier post)
would save me much time (if at all) compared to doing it my way (i.e. by
copying Diagram Designer HTML code for a piece on a 1x1 board), that is if
needing to over and over insert more than one piece image (of more than 1 piece type, even) to be shown into
a Chess Variant Pages webpage submission. However, doing it your way could
show a clean/nicer piece image, in that my way of doing it shows the 1x1
square board with a coordinate included (namely "a1", with the "a"
unfortunately partly not showing because the board is so small, I assume).
Perhaps the choice is a matter of taste?! In any case I may try doing it
the way you described at some point, H.G. Thanks for your advice.

[edit: I tried do it H.G.'s way just now when editing my old 4*Chess submission, but nothing appeared at all when I used quotes around the URL, or when I did not use quotes. I had followed H.G.'s earlier directions, unless I somehow went wrong (I may try H.G.'s method later if I can figure it out, pending any further thoughts); the directions posted earlier were:

"To get an image on a submitted page you would have to write 

< img src="URL"> 

in it, with URL the pasted URL."]

[2nd edit: I solved my problem using H.G.'s method (to show single piece images from the Diagram Designer in a submission) by using quotes around the URL & using uppercase for IMG SRC, in a test I carried out. The piece image I chose to test out (in a submission, temporarily modifying it by editing) was shown all by itself, underlined as in the Diagram Designer.
Note that I put this 2nd edit accidently in my 4*Chess submission thread too.]

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 25, 2016 07:44 AM UTC:
I am still having trouble posting updates, including to some variants as well as piece articles. The issue of updating variant pages has become more urgent as I have noticed that I cannot see ffen diagrams from the computer on which I am currently going online and was hoping to replace them. Even had there been no problem updating, it would take some time to replace them all, and I would be interested to know if this problem is due to my change of computer or the move of website, If it is the latter, then for all the shortcomings of these diagrams this needs fixing in the interim before I (a) am able to edit all my pages properly again and (b) I have the time to carry them all out.

For the record, in case an editor has time to make - and better success updating - the changes, the intention was to replace the three ffen diagrams on the Nearlydouble Chess page with the following virtual images respectively:


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Jan 25, 2016 02:41 PM UTC:
I can see the ffen diagrams on the Nearlydouble Chess page. So I expect
your browser is having some trouble with JavaScript. If you can't switch
computers, then I would suggest switching browsers or at least making sure
JavaScript is working in your current browser.

Charles Gilman wrote on Tue, Jan 26, 2016 07:33 AM UTC:
You're quite right! I had to change the JavaScript setting for an entirely different reason and it has the side-effect of making the diagrams visible. Oh, well, that panic at least is over.

Charles Gilman wrote on Tue, Jan 26, 2016 07:40 AM UTC:
What it does not fix is my inability to edit certain pages. One that I did succeed with was Flyover Xiang Qi, on which I moved some text from the Notes to the introduction to move the array diagram lower down. I notice that it did not have any comments, whereas the pages that I have failed to edit do have some, so it looks like comments might be part of the issue.

Ben Reiniger wrote on Tue, Jan 26, 2016 12:09 PM UTC:
Can you describe exactly what happens when you try to submit an edit?

You said earlier that perhaps it's because the text boxes contain too much.
 Apparently that is possible, if unlikely: the maximum size of a "text"
type entry in our database is ~65000 characters.

I would not expect it to have anything to do with whether the item has been commented on or not.

Charles Gilman wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 08:08 AM UTC:
Well I have no trouble editing Hourglass Hex Chess, which is a bigger file than Nearlydouble. Unfortunately that appears to demolish both our theories, as Hourglass Hex has comments as well!

When my attempt to edit fails I get error 403. When it is successful a garbled version of the variant appears on the next page - but with the "view submission" link at the bottom so that I can continue to the page as edited.


Ben Reiniger wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 06:24 PM UTC:
Hmm, I get the 403 error too, whether I try to edit as an editor (which
uses a different script) or as you (which would give an error since I
haven't entered your password; either the 403 overrides that error or the
script doesn't make it to that point).

It's odd that it happens for the same script but different itemIDs.

Oh, and the garbled version of your page that shows after submitting was added by Fergus to help debug (some other?) problem(s).

Charles Gilman wrote on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 07:57 AM UTC:
I have had error 403 again, this time with two pages that have no comments - BacCancat and Pass Variants. Any ideas, anyone?

Charles Gilman wrote on Wed, Mar 2, 2016 07:58 AM UTC:
Pages on which I am getting the 403 error now include 125% Shogi/XQ, BacCanCat, Index B to Man and Beast, Man and Beast 06, Nearlydouble Chess, Pass Variants, and Yonin Toyang Mitregi. Ones that I have succeeded in editing can be seen clearly on the list of recent updates. Being unsuccessful is all the more annoying now that the advice "Please don't use JavaScript, multiple images, or Ascii Art" is given, as for the most part this is what I am trying to remedy!

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Mar 3, 2016 09:46 PM UTC:
Charles, I updated the code in the relevant scripts to access the database
with PDO instead of with mysql functions. Please check if this fixes your
problem with updating some games. If it doesn't, please provide a detailed
report of where it goes wrong and what it says to you.

Charles Gilman wrote on Fri, Mar 4, 2016 08:00 AM UTC:
It does not seem to have made any difference. If I click on "more information" I get the message "This error (HTTP 403 Forbidden) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but it does not have permission to view the webpage. For more information about HTTP errors, see Help."

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Mar 4, 2016 01:03 PM UTC:
A 403 error on an unrelated site doesn't mean that the problem you are
having here goes beyond the CVP. Given that this site is physically located
in the U.K. and the other one is physically located in Sweden, you can bet
that what's happening on that site has nothing to do with what is happening
on this one.

I tried to edit "125 Percent Shogi and 125 Percent Xiang Qi" and got a 403 error like you did. It turns out that the files I updated yesterday are ones available only to editors, and they are not the ones you use. As an editor, I saw links on the screen that you wouldn't see, which led me to a different script. So I will convert the scripts you use to PDO and see if that makes a difference.

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