Comments by GlennNicholls
to H.G. Muller.....thanks for the reply.
Yes, Zillions does have the Tiger-riders of Citadel as a bit stronger than Queens, but more rays are blockable on their first move than Queens and this perhaps seems to knock their value down, at least on Zillions.
Yes, I agree that the text of Citadel could be tedious, in parts, with regard to describing its piece moves and rules (I find that few games aren't, at least in parts), but this was in the days when I tried to make absolutely sure that there would be no misunderstanding of the piece moves and rules to my games (I still do - it is very easy for the inexperienced to misunderstand such things unfortunately).....I try to counter-balance the mundane matter of learning piece moves and rules with a short background story to my games that hopefully some might find interesting.
What matters of course, though subjective, is how interesting and well Games and/or Pieces actually play.
The recent comments regarding hyphenation of words and English Grammar are interesting. I think these days there is scope for some subjectivity in the use of Grammar and Punctuation and I have in fact used some subjectivity in my pages here, e.g. my page and game of TigerChess is one word.....also in my first name(s) of Shaye-Alexander the hyphen does not actually denote only a single joined name but two possible stand-alone first names as well. In this comment I have deliberately used subjective punctuation and so forth. However, I think the term Chess Variants is best put as two seperate words for a Site Heading and used with capitals, though the capitals may not always be "correct" when writing about. An alternative might be Chess-variants (capital C, small v) to emphasize that Chess is the primary noun of a joint description, if this is required - but 100% theoretically correct written English would require the attention of a Professor or expert in such, I would think.
To H.G.M.
Yes, it all depends, Chess-variant (capital C small v) might be used as in Chess-variant pages, this looks neat, I think, when the subject is used in writing about, but may not be striking enough as a Site Heading where a Person's eye wants to be drawn towards.....writing is somewhat like music, at least for me, and for example my own punctuation of five dots (.....) I use as a "drift" (this generally denotes slow movement) to a linked sentence, or even a linked paragraph, rather than a full stop (. I generally use to denote stop and start, or stop).
I'm quite happy to let others decide on a new logo, But, I hope there is something of Chinese Chess in this - there seems to be a Cannon and Elephant at the moment.....most interestingly the website Ancient Chess.com states that this game is probably played by more people than any other board game in the world, including Western Chess (though I would think probably not played so geographically as widespread as Western Chess) - those of us, or some, of the Chess Variants site might want to keep this in mind.
I'm curious - are you happy representationally with the East-West positioning of the images in the top left logo?
I'm not too bothered on this point - as you say a logo is not a map, and yet.....although I live in the UK and my individual perspective of East-West is different in any case, so far as I know the arbritary deciding of East-West is by the Prime Meridian and this passes through the UK and perhaps this should over-ride other considerations.
I'm not too bothered on this point - as you say a logo is not a map, and yet.....although I live in the UK and my individual perspective of East-West is different in any case, so far as I know the arbritary deciding of East-West is by the Prime Meridian and this passes through the UK and perhaps this should over-ride other considerations.
I'm still curious - are the board and pieces of Xiang Qi (Chinese Chess) going to permanently stay as an image on the home page, or will this revolve with images of the other mentioned games such as Chess, Shogi etc. I hasten to add that I don't mind some of the things as they currently are (or recently were) and I am still quite happy for others to eventually decide on these things.
On Games - I suppose the popularity of Chinese Chess raises the question of whether it is really a variant at all and not simply a major Game in its own right, like Western Chess.
On Pieces - the somewhat popularity and awareness of the Capablanca pieces, and possibly other "variant" pieces, may hopefully perhaps eventually reach a level nearer to those of the well known Chess pieces e.g. the Western Chess Queen, Rook, Knight etc., but this, I think, is unfortunately a long way off.
To F.D.
Thank-you for your response.
Yes, of course this good site can determine its own definition of what is a Chess-variant and what is not, but then numbers of players of Chinese Chess might disagree that the Game is but a variant of.....what?.....what game on the site is not some sort of Chess-variant.....Western Chess it seems. Can you let me know please what game is the Cornerstone of Chess on the site such that variants are determined to be so, or are there several, or many.
I would not object to the site using the name of one of my Games in the logo or somewhere, this being Kaleidoscope.....the site might then have "The Chess Kaleidoscope" or similar, such as "A Kaleidoscope of Chess".....But I am still quite happy for others to decide on such matters, as long as Kaleidoscope was used in a reasonable way, as I'm sure it would be.
To H.G.M.
Yes, I think what you have said is as good a definition of the classic or traditional Chess idea as is likely within a few lines of text.....I did know that neither the current Western game nor the current Chinese game is in its original form.
When I look at my list of authored items they are showing "Missing description"
How do I amend this?
to Fergus
Yes I will add some descriptions at least
But where do I go to do this?
Thanks, I'll come back and perhaps add some when I can
It doesn't matter too much as I write descriptions within the page anyway
Thanks for the answer
to Fergus
Is it simple and straightforward to use the link description
I don't kow how to use it - perhaps someone could tell me
Whilst Western chess and Chinese chess would seem to be the most popular of all Chess games (or variants if you like) I remember a comment on this fine site long years ago that there were many (hundreds of ?) games invented and posted here that were based on Capablanca chess and so by this measure perhaps Capablanca chess is right up there (so to speak).....and did I not read somewhere that there was talk of Bobby Fischer and Anatoly Karpov playing Chess that involved extra pieces - what could this be I wonder.....
To HG Muller
This is very intriguing - a forbidden word with regard to a Chess game - extraordinary, but I'll let this be, at least I seem to be right that there was talk of something.....
.....I always say Capablanca chess although I do know there were earler similar games like it, but thanks for letting me know this anyway.....
.....I agree It does seem to be an exaggeration that there are hundreds of Capablanca type games on the site, but although I am stating this from memory I'm sure that was what someone said, though years ago; I wonder how many games there are in total on the site now - does this run into thousands.....
.....Chess 960: I think randomisation is a technique rather than really being seperate games and this technique could probably be applied to numerous Chess games - I don't really use it on any of my own games though.....
To G. Strong
Thank-you for an interesting reply - I do in fact rather like the game, but more to the point is that Capablanca himself thought it much better than Western chess and of course his opinion as a world champion must carry weight, though no doubt he had a little bias towards his own game.....
.....I can only hazard a guess that Capablanca liked the great tactical scope that the game seems to give whilst also having the possibility after (if) exchanges of some or all of the very strong pieces of simplifying into something akin to Western chess, so then you don't lose Western chess altogether with it - two games for the price of one ? - indeed this is why I like it.....
.....of course it is all opinion on games on this site and only Western and Chinese chess (perhaps Shogi as well) are popular on a really huge scale, but I personally would put Capablanca chess high up on the ranking of games, not that I've tried out all the thousands (?) of games here - who has.
Though piece value studies are not to the interest of everyone they can, I find, be fascinating at times and anyone can overlook properties of pieces and their situations - even of their own ideas, and I for one am appreciative that someone like HGM and one or two others do such in depth analysis of this.
Some have called Western chess "Mad Queen chess" (derogatorily so?) but the move QH6 played by Magnus Carlsen in the decisive game in the world 2016 championship shows the level of excitement that a piece like this can produce - a fantastic finish to win a world championship with.
And I would perhaps add that because computers take into account their opponent's replies they do not seem, to me at any rate, to build towards this sort of possibility and also in my opinion computers have proved no more with chess than did pocket calculators with calculations with regard to "intellectual" abilities.
Further to my previous comment regarding the move 50. Qh6+ by Magnus Carlsen to win the 2016 world chess championship.
This move reminds me somewhat of the "The Golden move" (as it has been called, supposedly because gold coins were showered onto the board by spectators after it was played) of 23... Qg3 played by Frank Marshall against Stepan Levitsky in 1912 - but this move, though played in a tournament, was not in a world championship never mind the decisive game in such and so in my opinion Magnus Carlsen's move, played on his 26th birthday, against Sergey Karjakin can fairly be considered "The Platinum move" and I would like to so name it. How about having "The Silver move" - my choice would be 19. e5 played by Adolf Anderssen against Lionel Kieseritzky in 1851 - a fantastic and most famous game, but not a tournament one - this move involved cutting off the defensive line of the opposing Queen. Mention could, I think, also be made of the young teenage, at the time, Bobby Fischer's Queen sacrificing move of 17... Be6 played in a tournament against Donald Byrne in 1956 - "The Bronze Move" ? - perhaps, if we include one; and we must not forget Paul Morphy's famous Queen sacrifice 16. Qb8+ played in the informal "Opera House Game" in 1858 against the Duke of Brunswick and Count Isouard, but here the players were not of comparable playing strength - Paul Morphy was the world's strongest player at the time.
Can Chinese chess then, that has no piece stronger than the rook of Western chess, produce something of its own form of excitement - well, in Terence Donnelly's 1974 book Hsiang Ch'i there is a game given where black (who moved first here) delivers checkmate on his 24th move that is the 10th check in succession and the source of this game is given as Chin tai hsiang ch'i ming chu hsuan (Selected famous modern games of Chinese chess), Shanghai, 1958.
And then there is one of the best known of Chess "variants" (not my choice of words - that would simply be Chess games) namely the much more modern game of Capablanca chess where the increased scope for tactics can no doubt lead to very sharp and double edged games and the inventor, Jose Raul Capablanca, apparently played and tested this game many times against Edward Lasker who noted that games rarely went beyond 20 or 25 moves, but I can find no record of these or indeed any game of this played by Jose Raul Capablanca.
But what of those who prefer a more tranquil but no less subtle game - well, there is Arabian chess that Western chess evolved from and this was widely played for over a thousand years and in The Oxford Companion to Chess 1984 by David Hooper and Kenneth Whyld and under the heading Mansuba there are a number of studies that show the interesting subtleties and potential excitement that are within this game.
It is, in my opinion, difficult indeed to directly improve upon any of these above four basic Chess games in any significant way and I say directly because "improvements" in one aspect of the game can very easily be more greatly detrimental in another aspect of it and may lose too much of the essential features of the game whilst not gaining a sufficient increase in new features to outweigh the loss - difficult to achieve indeed and, I think, requires careful and thoughtful work.
Since my original comment is not under the subject of the World chess championship 2016 I repeat it below:
Some have called Western chess "Mad Queen chess" (derogatorily so ?) but the move 50. Qh6+ played by Magnus Carlsen in the decisive game in the world 2016 championship shows the level of excitement that a piece like this can produce - a fantastic finish to win a world championship with.
And I would perhaps add that because computers take into account their opponent's replies they do not seem, to me at any rate, to build towards this sort of possibility and also in my opinion computers have proved no more with chess than did pocket calculators with calculations with regard to "intellectual" abilities.
Shaye Nicholls pp Glenn Nicholls
I am most puzzled - pages seem to have "Missing description" noted against them but I can see no way to enter a desription for a page's game - surely this is straightforward to do - I would like to add one or two to mine.
Also, how does one post a reference item ?
Shaye Nicholls pp Glenn Nicholls
To Ben Reiniger
Thank you for your reply regarding Missing descriptions
I would much appreciate four being added - they are very straightforward descriptions but three of the games are not yet posted as they are awaiting review by a site editor - the games are:
LancerChess (this game has been posted) - can you add the description - a basic Western chess game
QiPlacements (this is awaiting review) - can you add the description - a basic Chinese chess game
Arabella (this is awaiting review) - can you add the description - a basic Arabian chess game
Storm (this is awaiting review) - can you add the description - a basic Capablanca chess game
Thank you for your help
Shaye Nicholls pp Glenn Nicholls
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The Eagle's move (is this the Griffon's move?) could be reversed here so that instead a Rook's single move is then followed by a Bishop's unrestricted slide - I did use similar pieces in my game of Citadel, but I kept both Rook and Bishop unrestricted slides in both pieces ( I called them Tiger-riders); they seemed about as strong as the Chess Queen - I had the original idea from the Giraffe of Tamerlane Chess and based Citadel very loosly on this Game.