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🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Mar 10, 2006 02:28 AM UTC:
I've been working out the bugs in the new features today. Let me know if the problem you described still persists.

Thomas McElmurry wrote on Fri, Mar 10, 2006 06:32 AM UTC:
I see that there is now a 'Modify' button next to the display settings. Either this has been added since my last comment, or I didn't notice it earlier.

I've just moved in two games: one of Xiàngqí and one of Shogi. In each case my goal was to make a move and to change from the default background image to a new background image, hoping that this new background setting would be stored in the log so that the new image would be displayed the next time I view the game. I did some experimenting before submitting the moves, trying to get as much information as I could. I tried performing the actions of selecting a background image and entering a move in four different orders (described below, where, not knowing what might be useful, I've tried to err on the side of too much detail rather than too little). Each trial began in a new browser tab. The various trials did not exhibit all the same intermediate behavior, but as far as I can tell the end results are the same. Of course I could only submit each move once; after trying all four orders with each of the two games, I then repeated one of the trials before submitting each move.

  • Trial 1: I enter my move in the 'Moves' text box, select the desired image from the 'Background' dropdown menu, and click the 'Verify' button, without having clicked the 'Modify' button. The verification page loads. My move is shown in the movelist, and the resulting position is displayed. The new background is displayed, but the 'Background' field is blank. At this point I submit the Xiàngqí move.
  • Trial 2: I select the desired image from the 'Background' menu and click 'Modify', without having entered a move. The page reloads; the board is still shown with the original background image, but the new image is now selected in the 'Background' menu. I then enter a move in the 'Moves' text box and click 'Verify'. The verification page loads. My move is shown in the movelist, and the resulting position is displayed. The new background is displayed, but the 'Background' field is blank.
  • Trials 3 and 4 begin in the same way: I enter a move in the 'Moves' text box, select the desired image from the 'Background' menu, and click 'Modify'. The page reloads. The new background image is displayed and remains selected in the 'Background' menu. My move is now shown in the dropdown movelist, and the resulting position is displayed. The 'Moves' text box is now empty. I then continue in two different ways.
    • Trial 3: Without entering anything, I click 'Verify'. A page loads, with the heading 'Verify Your Move', but otherwise identical to the usual page where one enters a move. The new background image is still displayed and remains selected in the 'Background' menu. But the move which I just entered seems to have disappeared: it is no longer shown in the movelist, and the position displayed is the one prior to this move. I enter the move again in the 'Moves' text box, and click 'Verify' again. The usual verification page loads. My move is shown in the movelist, and the resulting position is displayed. The new background image is displayed, but the 'Background' field is blank.
    • Trial 4: I immediately reenter my move and click 'Verify'. The verification page loads. My move is shown in the movelist, and the resulting position is displayed. The new background image is displayed, but the 'Background' field is blank. At this point I submit the Shogi move.
When I submit each move, the 'move sent' page loads, showing the correct position with the new background image. I then immediately open a new browser tab and view the game, specifying my userid in the URL. In each case, the results are the same. Initially the board is shown with the new background image, but when the page automatically refreshes a few seconds later, it reverts to the original (default) image.

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Mar 10, 2006 05:51 PM UTC:
I wasn't able to duplicate the blank background field result. In a Shogi
game of my own and in your Chinese Chess game with Antoine, I changed the
background, clicked 'Verify', and the background field was not blank.

Your third trial reveals a bug. When you click on the Modify button, it
should not update the moveslist. This is now fixed. It will now also
retain any value entered in the Moves field without doing anything with
it.

The reason the board was reverting was that I incorrectly based the
variable name for the user board on the player's id instead of the
user's. This would not affect what you saw when it was your turn again,
which is why I didn't notice anything myself. But it would affect which
board you see when it is not your turn. This has now been fixed. Thanks
for your help.

Thomas McElmurry wrote on Fri, Mar 10, 2006 11:23 PM UTC:
The blank background field appears to be browser-dependent. Everything I've described in previous comments was done with Opera. The background field is not blank when I use Firefox. I've now used Firefox to make a move and change the background image in one of my games, and it looks like the setting was saved.

I had a look at the source for the verification page in question, and I think the problem is due to a missing angle bracket in the < SELECT > tag corresponding to the background field. Also the < /SELECT > tag appears to be missing altogether, but this doesn't seem to cause problems for either of the browsers I've tried. When I edited a local copy of the source, inserting the missing angle bracket was enough to make Opera place the appropriate value in the background field.


🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 12:14 AM UTC:
Thanks for looking into this. I use Firefox and so missed the problem
Opera
was having. I have now inserted the missing < /SELECT > tag

Thomas McElmurry wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 01:28 AM UTC:
It's good that you added the < /SELECT > tag, as it should be there and its absence might cause problems for some browsers. But that's not what Opera was choking on. The real problem is that the < SELECT > tag has no closing angle bracket.

That is, for one of my games the source has

< SELECT NAME='crazytom_bgimage'
when it should have
< SELECT NAME='crazytom_bgimage' >

Thanks for adding these new features and taking the time to work out the kinks. As far as my efforts are concerned, I figure the opportunity to change to something other than shogi-simple.png is easily worth looking at a little HTML.


🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 02:18 AM UTC:
Okay, I've added the closing angle bracket. The shogi-simple.png has been my least favorite Shogi board. I now know where it went wrong. It is a plain board with thick borders. I have since made some plain boards with thin borders, and I like them much better. I think the thick borders work well only with the sodalite board.

Thomas McElmurry wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 05:21 AM UTC:
That did it. The background field is now filled in in Opera, and the new setting was saved when I submitted a move.

I had thought it was only the colors in shogi-simple.png that bothered me, but I think you're right about the thick borders. I'm currently using shogi-blue.png in one of my games; it's equally simple, but the more sedate colors and the thin borders are a vast improvement in my opinion.


🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 02:25 PM UTC:
Yes, I've begun using that board too. It works really well with my symbolic pieces, and I even like it better than the checkered board.

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 02:30 PM UTC:
Scratch that. I've been using shogi-plain-w.png. It's the same board, but it's in the set with coordinates predrawn on the image. Unlike shogi-blue.png, the in-hand areas are the same color as the board.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 09:05 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
I like there are new (automatic and alternative) boards and sets available,
but I have an observation: I think it is much better a (perhaps very thin)
border for some of the boards, like the CSS tiled background images and
the PNG's. I feel that some squares, more those at the corners, vanishes
to my eyes sometimes, producing me a bad sempsation. Well, my case is
somewhat particular, I have some known moderate troubles with my vision, I
don´t expect it affects other players in any way, but if it is the case,
can anybody add a thin border (simple lines can be enough) to those boards
and observe the effect?.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 09:07 PM UTC:
I am talking about Ultima boards, but it applies to any other board without borders of any kind

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 10:14 PM UTC:
Are you talking about a border around the whole board or borders around individual spaces?

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 11:02 PM UTC:
I`m talking about borders around the whole board. I agree that borders around squares are not very nice, regardless you can visualize better the things, but reasonable contrast is, almost all the time, enough for good visualization. Aesthetic is also important, and majority of people would not be gained for such borders in every square. I agree.

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Mar 13, 2006 07:26 PM UTC:
Roberto, 

There are now 410x410 pixil boards for Chess, and these may be used with
any game that is normally played on the usual chessboard with 50x50 pixil
squares. The extra 10 pixils are for a 5 pixil wide border around the
whole board. If you would like to use a board of your own design, you can
make one to the same dimensions using the chess-greenbeige.png board as a
template. Additionally, I have now allowed switching between the css and
table rendering methods. This will allow you to use a bordered table board
in games that originally used a background image. Needless to say, this
will not work for every game, but it will work for the standard chessboard
and some other boards.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, Mar 13, 2006 09:58 PM UTC:
Thank you, Fergus

pallab basu wrote on Mon, Mar 20, 2006 05:02 PM UTC:
In the game 
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=Chess+with+Different+Armies&log=olbog-cvgameroom-2006-69-489

I think I checkmated the oponent. But the preset is only showing a check.

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Mar 20, 2006 07:14 PM UTC:
Thanks for reporting this. The bug was in the chess include file and affected many games. It is now fixed.

Andy Maxson wrote on Wed, Feb 21, 2007 05:29 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Are members allowed to make presets? If so how do yo make one?

Jeremy Good wrote on Wed, Feb 21, 2007 10:46 AM UTC:
Andy, yes, you can. Presets are not hard to create. I will email you about it.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Thu, Feb 28, 2008 10:26 PM UTC:
I just created the preset for Advanced Chess:
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game%3DAdvanced+Chess%26settings%3DAdvanced+Chess

Anyone interested in playing a game?

Michael Schmahl wrote on Sat, May 24, 2008 01:34 AM UTC:
Help, I've changed my password and I don't know what I've changed it to! I can't find any account-recovery page at all.

Rory Judith wrote on Sun, May 25, 2008 01:36 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Is it possible to download the game courier program for in case my internet connection goes down?

pallab basu wrote on Tue, Nov 4, 2008 02:38 AM UTC:
The click and move feature is excellent !!, I guess it is a new addition.

🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Nov 4, 2008 03:17 AM UTC:
Yes, it is new. I hope to add it to other rendering methods and shapes throughout the week, though the need to get used to regular time again might delay that, since we just changed back from Daylight Saving Time in the USA. So far, I have tested it in Firefox 2 & 3, Internet Explorer, and Konqueror (a Linux browser based on the Mac's Safari), and it works with them all.

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